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Compare and contrast:
The Tenth Doctor gives up Rose, with whom he is in love and has an unstated mutual romantic relationship, so that she will be happy.
The Eleventh Doctor, who is married to River Song, begs Amy to give up her husband to stay with him.
What caused the difference in the level of self-sacrifice the Doctor was willing to engage in from one incarnation to the next?
The priority of the writers is different. The showrunners approach the Doctor in different ways, and they have different ideas about what is important for the character and the show.
The Tenth Doctor was written as a person who understood consequences and dealt with them all the time. He dealt with the sacrifices he made, but mostly, the sacrifices people made for him or on his behalf. He learned that there is always a cost for his actions, and I think he tried to act in ways that did the least amount of damage.
Ten and TenToo became distinct individuals at the moment of the metacrysis, and everything TenToo experiences from that point on will be unique to him. So, Rose gets her Doctor, but the Doctor doesn’t get Rose. While we’re sad that Ten loses Rose, we don’t begrudge her her happiness. This scene isn’t written in a way that victimizes the Doctor or makes Rose look selfish. More importantly, the Doctor’s decisions will cost him and no one else; he made the choice that caused the least amount of harm.
Eleven, on the other hand, is written as a person who doesn’t understand consequences — because, he never has to face any — and who makes decisions without factoring in their ripple effect on the lives of his companions and other people he meets. Where Ten tried to leave as little a footprint as possible, Eleven never seems to consider the trail he leaves behind him; and even when he does, his tracks are always wiped clean.
Eleven is the center of the universe. His needs and desires trump everything else. We are supposed to be sad that Amy and Rory lived long, happy lives together because, they did so away from the Doctor. This scene almost blames Amy for choosing Rory — her husband — over the Doctor. This scene attempts to make a victim out of the Doctor, when nothing is being done to him. He has earned the right to be sad, but his behavior here implies that he is more important to Amy than Rory and that he deserves what he wants more than Amy and Rory deserve what they want.
In other words: Ten is man who has learned from his mistakes enough to know that acting on his own whims and desires is less important and potentially more harmful than acting for the greater good. He can make personal sacrifices because, he understands the consequences of being selfish. Eleven is a man who always gets what he wants and always “wins.” His decision to act in service of himself has never led to a permanent negative consequence, so he is completely unable to separate his wants and desires from the greater good, even when what he wants conflicts with what is right.
*I hope I worded that correctly.
Yes, this. And so many of Eleven’s story lines have to do with villains who are trying to get rid of him, whereas in Nine’s and Ten’s era the villains are usually menacing other people, and the Doctor puts himself in harm’s way to save them.
EVIL FORESHADOWING INTENSIFIES
JG: Now. Big, big, big moment coming up for the Doctor, here.
JG: Big, big moment. What— Talk us through this. Choices made.
DT: Oh, dear.
JG: How dark did he go? Did you go, as the Doctor.
DT: Well. I think it was important that the Doctor was caught by Donna here. I think it was important that the Doctor saw that he could lose control. That in this kind of post Rose state, he’s perhaps not as balanced and in control as he would wish to normally be. And so the carnage that he’s about to create… Basically, I suppose what’s important story-wise is that the Doctor realizes he shouldn’t be on his own. Even though all his instincts at the moment are telling him to be.
JG: Yeah. And it’s an extension on “No second chances”, isn’t it? It’s a darker… No second time— That ruthlessness. That clarity…
DT: Absolutely. Which comes from a fairly dark place. And I think Rose had helped him come out of that dark place, and perhaps he’s rediscovering it a little bit here. And that’s not entirely healthy.
- David Tennant & Julie Gardner - The Runaway Bride commentary
This happened because of Russell T Davis.
you guys seriously undermine your own cause when the only argument any of you can make is LOVE AND MONSTERS!!! THERE WAS A SILLY MONSTER DESIGNED BY A CHILD! LOVE AND MONSTERS!
It was designed by a 9-year-old who won a contest on Blue Peter. When it aired everyone knew it was ridiculous, but they knew WHY it was ridiculous.
Yeah OP. “Just remember” that this contest was an attempt at fan outreach - to engage the fans, to make something a little magical for one of them, to show them they were appreciated and special. To make the show fun, to make fans — even “unimportant” ones like little kids — feel like they were special enough to be a part of their favorite show. That the show’s theme in the RTD era—that anyone could be important—wasn’t just lip service.
Yeah OP. I remember those days, and with nostalgia. Thanks for the reminder.
and cities have fallen for less
and kingdoms have fallen for more
and for her, you would tear down
mount olympus itself
People who think a female Doctor and a male companion would never work need to see Mary Poppins and Bert.
The Doctor and his companion - that's a pattern, isn't that right?